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Post by Shyft Trakia-Vorga VahtiDahl on Aug 4, 2008 22:22:02 GMT -6
The Frame is a term that I created as a title for the idea that every instant exists as one. It is almost a requirement of Multiple Personality Solipsism, but could apply to those who do not care for MPS as well.
Think of every instant in what you perceive as sequential time as a still image. Pretend this image is translucent, like negative film. The Frame represents all of these images layered over each other, so that you see every image at once.
It may be easier to think about if you look at it in terms of MPS. With MPS the universe is a mind. Memories are remembered in sequence but exist all at the same time. All of the people, places, names, sounds, feelings, and thoughts exist in the same place. Traveling from a memory of Chicago to a memory of Japan is no thing like driving to the air port and stepping on to a plane. It is simply a matter of remembering some thing different.
So if time is just a measurement of sequence which is only an illusion, why do we perceive life in sequence? Well, why do we perceive any relativity? To exist. If we did not ever feel any reason to decide to do some thing in stead of some thing else or perceive one thing as unique in a collection of sameness we would not mentally exist.
The Frame versus sequence is a very good example of the fact that not only can there be no happiness without denial, but also no life.
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futurefed
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Post by futurefed on Aug 13, 2008 2:25:49 GMT -6
Read Kurt Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse Five" That's what it's about.
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Post by Shyft Trakia-Vorga VahtiDahl on Aug 14, 2008 14:01:12 GMT -6
Bought it yesterday. I will let you know what I think.
Edit on 8-26-2008: finished reading today. Good book. It used the means of time travel that I do not believe in, though. The Frame is anti-forth dimension, in a sense. Since the Frame is an idea that functions under the pretense of Multiple Personality Solipsism, it is all travel through memories that would be made, and of course viewing The Frame is not viewing a single time line or just any time line, but every possible instance of every thing that has existed. Also, I think that Universe's memory can expand with the creation of new memories due to sequence so the idea of 'it is, it was, it always will be' does not apply.
There is no way to tell the difference between the forth dimension and the fifth dimension, so the illusion of choice claim based upon traveling through time by means of becoming your former or future self is not so likely. There is no way to even become trapped below the fifth dimension because every instance of 'time travel' or 'memory jump' creates a path of new moments or memories. Most importantly: the forth dimension (what is considered to be the path one follows) is drawn as what the present self does, including any 'time travel'. Traveling back in time or viewing the past is some thing new on the path, not an earlier part of the path revisited.
I think that no amount of godly prediction can defeat possibility, and if Universe is full of possibility, I'd say that there is a very good chance that, if there is no choice or illusion of choice, things would be very different. A creature that can see its present future and believes that there is no choice will probably just do no thing and be staring down an empty future. Per haps our part of sequence is just too far away from the influence of creatures that can study that creature, though.
I just plain do not understand the idea of set time lines that can not be disrupted and yet interacted with. If you travel along the forth dimension to become your self ten years in the future, you will act how ever you will due to that travel. Every one in that time period will think that you are acting out. Yeah. Sure. But, if you travel to that same moment again, I highly doubt that you will act the same way. Also, if you traveled to a moment that occurred just before an other moment that you have traveled to before, why would you act out again what you already knew? It would only be possible to maintain the forth dimension if you were unaware of the time travel and were completely of the mind that you had traveled to become.
I think my best point arguing against the set yet touchable time line thing is that there is no way to travel to an other part in the forth dimension because that action will create a new part. You at age sixteen and you at twenty five reliving you at age sixteen are two different instances.
...I think that I am done for now.
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